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SPACE Digest                                     Volume 13 : Issue 789

Today's Topics:
       Results of Straw Poll for Space Politics Newsgroup Name
       Cosmonauts to do space walk June 25th for antenna repair
         Re: Designing composite fuel engines
                 WSF?; Answer
     Re: URGENT: (Not Again!) Traxler Gambit: The Next Generation
           Re: Net Participation by Gov't Employees
           Re: Galileo status report 6/6/91
         Re: Mars Observer Left without me !!
           Re: Net Participation by Gov't Employees
               Re: Mars "face"

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Date: 24 Jun 91 18:52:25 GMT
From: eagle!ariel.lerc.nasa.gov![e-mail]  (Ronald E. Graham)
Subject: Results of Straw Poll for Space Politics Newsgroup Name

Here is the list of participants in the Straw Poll:

Peter da Silva        Joe Cain        David Wald
a_rubin            markw            System Manager
Jon Leech        Chris Phillips        Herman Rubin
Craig Ward        Brian Yamauchi        John McKernan
Stuart Warmink        Mark Earnshaw        Allen Sherzer
Jerry Miller        Kurt Weisser        Phil Fraering
Robert Spiker        Randall Atkinson    Seth Breidbart
Bengt Larsson        Kent Paul Dolan        Ron Graham
Pete Smith        Dave Liebal        W. A. Simon
Kevin Carlen        David Nadler        Dave Rintoul
Chip Salzenberg        Alayne McGregor        Dave Conrad
Adam Shostack        Scott Simpers        Steinn Sigurdsson
Roberto Desimone    Mark Brader        Martin Sulkanen
Ben Yalow        Jim Lawson        Garrett Wollman
d9bertil        Richard Miller        Claude Asher

and Conor "spelling champ" O'Neill.

That's 46 participants, which I think will be a representative sample
size, based on previous experience.  Here is the breakdown:

talk.politics.space got
    24 first-place votes (nine folks wanted nothing else)
    10 second-place votes
    58 total points

misc.activism.space got
    eight first-place votes (three folks wanted nothing else)
    13 second-place votes
    29 total points

sci.space.policy got
    15 first-place votes (five folks wanted nothing else)
    six second-place votes
    36 total points

Based on these point totals, talk.politics.space clearly has more support
than either of the other two suggested group names, and is therefore IMPO
most likely to be able to win in a vote.  Also, based on these point totals,
misc.activism.space is highly unlikely to win in a vote.

Comment: it is my intention to continue the path toward new group creation
by issuing a Call for Votes for talk.politics.space at the end of the week.
I call upon supporters of the other two group names to support t.p.s.  As
the choice most likely to win in a vote, anyone who cares remotely about
the creation of a space politics newsgroup should want one that would be
supported.

Further, I am concerned about the split between t.p.s and s.s.p.  Although
the creation of s.s.p appears unlikely to me, based on the poll totals,
there are enough folks out there supporting it that t.p.s could be hindered
in doing its job if it is created.  The objective is to create a newsgroup
that will extract most of the political traffic from sci.space, and no group
of this type will work unless a large percentage of posters actively help
to make it work.

If anybody cares about the polling breakdown, send e-mail.  I didn't want
to type it all in :-(.

RG

Sound bite from one of the "Pink Panther" movies:
    "But that's a priceless Steinway!"
    "*Not* any *more*!!!"

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From: [e-mail]
Date: 24 Jun 91 16:38 -0700
To: [e-mail], [e-mail],
        [e-mail], [e-mail],
        [e-mail], [e-mail],
        [e-mail]
Subject: Cosmonauts to do space walk June 25th for antenna repair

   On board the Soviet's Mir space station cosmonauts Anatoli Artsebarski and
Sergei Krikalev, are preparing for a space walk that will take place
tomorrow (June 25th).  The main activity will be the repair of the
docking antenna that caused the docking failure during the Progress M-7
docking of Mar 28th.  This antenna was subsequently found to be damaged
as shown by the Apr. 25th space walk inspection of Viktor Afansyev and
Musa Manarov.  It could not be repaired until the new crew arrived after
May 12th on Soyuz TM-12.  This new EVA is planed to be 4 hours long.

                            Glenn Chapman
                            Simon Fraser U.
                                                        Burnaby, B.C., Canada
                            [e-mail]

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Date: 24 Jun 91 22:55:09 GMT
From: bonnie.concordia.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!bison!sys6626!inqmind![e-mail]  (Norman Paterson)
Subject: Re: Designing composite fuel engines

[e-mail] (Orville R. Weyrich) writes:

> First things first -- I am NOT getting ready to build some rocket engines.
> I am seeking information on how to design the suckers in order to construct
> a demonstration "expert system" which answers questions about rocket engine
> design. [Therefore, please hold the flame-throwers.]
>
> I am aware of a program on calvin which predicts the thrust characteristics
> of composite engines. Does anyone know where the technical information which
> is incorporated into this program came from? Is it published?
>
> Does anyone know of any good reference materials on the design of composite
> fuel rocket engines? [I have a Ph.D. in Physical Organic Chemistry, so I can
> handle technical stuff.] I also am interested in less technical
> 'rules of thumb'. I know that the AIAA Journal has a lot of good stuff,
> and am aware of references such as "Fundamentals of Solid-Propellant
> Combustion", and some older stuff.
>
> Is there anyone out there that is an expert in the field that is willing/able
> to act as a [paid] consultant?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Orville.
>
> --------------------------------------           ****************************
> Orville R. Weyrich, Jr., Ph.D.                   Certified Systems Profession
> Internet: [e-mail]             Weyrich Computer Consultin
> Voice:    [phone]                         POB 5782, Scottsdale, AZ 852
> Fax:      [phone]                              (Yes! I'm available)
> --------------------------------------           ****************************

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Date:     Mon, 24 Jun 1991 07:41:27 PDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: WSF?; Answer


=-=-=-=

Date:    Tue, 04 Jun 91 07:55 CDT
From: Bob Rehak Ext. 3-9437


What's with this United Space Federation.  Is it a big joke or what.
All I read on this net from the USF is the same rhetoric about the
cold war, the military industrial complex, war time economies, etc.,
-=-=-==

It's really quite simple, Bob; The political asperations of those who support
'one world' government, having failed on earth, are now being pushed on a
'space' platform.

I find it interesting that so many posts in a supposedly non-political  DL have
such distinctive socialist political overtones.

It appears to me to be an extention of the recent trend toward turing higher
level education,  and the like, into political re-education.

If I were more cynical (Some folks consider that impossible... :*D) I'd say
'PC'...

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Date: 25 Jun 91 00:41:26 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!convex![e-mail]  (Richard A. Schumacher)
Subject: Re: URGENT: (Not Again!) Traxler Gambit: The Next Generation

> HOW DO YOU PAY THE ENTITLEMENT NEXT YEAR?

Uh, by cutting defense spending, maybe? By cutting Social Security
benefits to people who can afford it? By raising the upper bracket income
tax rates a little bit? Any of these sounds better to me than continuing
to let millions of kids go to bed hungry, or letting the Europeans and
Japanese have the solar system all to themselves. What a concept! Social
justice and space exploration too!

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Date: 24 Jun 91 19:37:27 GMT
From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!reed!intelhf!agora![e-mail]  (Alan Batie)
Subject: Re: Net Participation by Gov't Employees

[e-mail] (Wales Larrison) writes:
>I normally refrain from making statements regarding the net conduct
>of other persons on the net.  However, the recent imbroglio from
>Nick Szabo regarding the postings of Mary Shafer and other
>government employees has given me cause to comment.

I must've missed the posting this references, but I'll state publicly
here and now that I think Mary's posting are among the most intelligent
and informative on the net, and would be extremely disappointed if she
were driven away.

As for government employee postings, it seems to me pretty important
to get information from their point of view as well...
--
Alan Batie                                     Some people believe they have
[e-mail]                           never met a gay person.
[phone]                                That's what we get for hiding.

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Date: 25 Jun 91 00:59:30 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!cam-cl![e-mail]  (Kish Shen)
Subject: Re: Galileo status report 6/6/91

>position.  A greater degree of warming will be available in about
>15 months; in the meantime, Galileo will cool gradually as it

Wasn't there talk of launching a communications relay satellite to
orbit Jupiter to relay Galileo's signal if the antenna cannot be
deployed? Is this plan still being considered? If the antenna fails
to open in 15 months, will there still be time to prepare and
launch such a satellite? [I guess it is likely that there are not
enough money around for this plan....]

--Kish Shen ([e-mail])

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Date: 24 Jun 91 08:10:47 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!ztivax![e-mail]  (Walter Meyer)
Subject: Re: Mars Observer Left without me !!

[e-mail] (Carlos Carrion) writes:
} [e-mail] (Steve Jenkins) writes:
} >[e-mail] (Don Allen) writes:
} >>...taken  by Viking 1 in 1976.  Hoagland believes the Mars  observer
} >>spacecraft  was  deployed  by the  Space  Shuttle  "Atlantis"  on
} >>mission STS-38.
} >
} >Wow!  I guess we better get busy with the Mars Observer telemetry
} >system.  It's not scheduled for ground testing until later this year.
} >
}     Wait Up!!  I've only just released the Mars Orbit Insertion
} Sequence to the Flight Team, and MO has been launched already (and
} by the Shuttle!) ??

Carlos!  Steve!  Like dudes, get it together!  Don Allen is an obvious
genius who REALLY knows these things.  I mean, we must have been out
to lunch regarding Phobos, right!?!

So, maybe JPL could save a whole lot of money by hiring Don Allen to
contact the aliens and just TELL us all about the other planets.  Then
we could just go to the beach...

I was thinking about hacking TASS to support author kill like RN, but
on second thought, with dona in this group I don't need the NatEnq
for comedy!

David Smyth
Object X Guru
Reliable email address coming soon!

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Date: 25 Jun 91 02:34:33 GMT
From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!matt.ksu.ksu.edu![e-mail]  (Robert William Young)
Subject: Re: Net Participation by Gov't Employees

[e-mail] (Wales Larrison) writes:

>To all net readers:
>
>I normally refrain from making statements regarding the net conduct
>of other persons on the net.  However, the recent imbroglio from
>Nick Szabo regarding the postings of Mary Shafer and other
>government employees has given me cause to comment.
>
                                   .
                                   .
                                   .
                             stuff deleted
                                   .
                                   .
                                   .
>C'mon folks.  Let's be adults.  There will be differences in
>opinions, and thoughts will be expressed hastily and there will be
>some misinterpretation of expressions.  Let us not commit the
>blunder of escalating honest differences of opinions into personal
>vendetta.  Respect the rights of others on sci.space - including
>their right to a personal opinion.  And be polite.
>  But most of all, let us encourage people to contribute and support
>space development in whatever way they can.  I don't believe that
>there is only one way into orbit, and I personally would like to
>encourage differing opinions on how to do put wide-spread human
>civilization permanently into space (including humans, machines and
>commerce)  -- to see what new and different ideas we can generate
>and how to put these into action.  I may not agree with all of them,
>but I will not stop anyone from expressing them.
>
>"I may disagree with your opinions, but I will defend to the death
>your right to say them".
>
>                                        - Wales Larrison -


     CLAP, CLAP, CLAP,  and other standing ovation noises...
     Its good to see somebody speak out against small-minded
     and knee-jerk opinions.

>--
>Wales Larrison
>Internet: [e-mail]
>Compuserve: >internet:[e-mail]
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------


Robert W. Young
Kansas State University     Department of Mechanical Engineering
                            Graduate Research Assistant/
                            Graduate Teaching Assistant

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"I pay attention, I think, I deliberate -- but nothing happens --"
   Descartes (with appologies)

"A mistake is evidence that somebody has tried to accomplish something"
   John E. Babcock

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Date: 24 Jun 91 19:11:07 GMT
From: mtxinu!sybase!alf![e-mail]  (brook mantia)
Subject: Re: Mars "face"

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Alan Filipski) writes:
>Instead of a bunch of amateur interpretations of this picture, it would
>be interesting to get a professional's opinion.  There are people who
>spend their entire careers interpreting satellite and aerial recon
>photos.  Most of them work for the government, but many are retired.
>Have any of these people given an opinion on the photos?
>

Yes, the image data has been revewied by many experts from both the public
and private sector, and after many hours of painstaking analysis they have
come to the same conclusion.  However, the results are so startling that
they have tried to keep it quiet lest the populace be seized by panic.



It's Elvis...

An official public announcement is pending final agreement as to who gets
the movie rights.

As always,
--Brook Mantia

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